New release with XFCE 2.6.0
This release now features the new XFCE version 2.6.0 and some other gems including:
Blueman bluetooth management software, dnsmasq (DNS and DHCP server), the seat data mining tool, crda (for those of you that want to submit to your countries legal wifi frequencies ;) ) and the gimp.
IMPORTANT: This release is no longer supported, if you can’t reproduce your problem with the latest stable release we won’t help you.
Additions
babl
blueman
cairo-perl
crda
dnsmasq
gdbm
gegl
gimp
glib-perl
gnome-python
gtk2-perl
libxfce4menu
lsof
man-db
mpg123
mtr
murrine-themes-collection
nmap
perl-object-multitype
perl-thread-queue-any
perl-xml-smart
pinentry-gtk2
pycairo
pygobject
pygtk
pyorbit
python-notify
python-numeric
seat
testdisk-wip
xfce4-screenshooter
xfce4-settings
xfconf
Removals
com-on-air
dbh
libxfce4mcs
man
mutagen
nmap-nogui
perl-uri
pinentry
qimageblitz
termcap-compat
testdisk
xfce-mcs-manager
xfce-mcs-plugins
xfce4-screenshooter-plugin
Updates
aircrack-ng-svn 1409-1 -> 1441-1
airgraph-ng-svn 1406-1 -> 1441-1
aufs 20090214-1 -> 20090221-1
bluez 4.29-1 -> 4.30-1
bootchart 0.9-4 -> 0.9-5
chaox-installer 2009.01-1 -> 2009.02-2
cmake 2.6.2-3 -> 2.6.3-1
cnetworkmanager-git 20090208-1 -> 20090303-1
com-on-air-tools 75-1 -> 85-1
com-on-air_cs 75-1 -> 85-1
ddcxinfo-arch 0.8-1 -> 0.8-2
dnsutils 9.5.0.P2-1 -> 9.6.0.P1-1
exo 0.3.4-3 -> 0.3.100-1
faac 1.26-1 -> 1.28-1
flashplugin 10.0.15.3-1 -> 10.0.22.87-1
foomatic-db 3.0_20081117-1 -> 4.0_20090211-1
foomatic-filters 3.0_20081117-1 -> 4.0_20090211-1
ghostscript 8.64-2 -> 8.64-3
gpm 1.20.5-2 -> 1.20.6-1
grep 2.5.3-3 -> 2.5.4-1
groff 1.20.1-1 -> 1.20.1-2
gsynaptics 0.9.14-2 -> 0.9.15-1
gtk-engine-murrine 0.53.1-1 -> 0.53.1-3
gtk-xfce-engine 2.4.3-1 -> 2.6.0-1
gtkpod-svn 2185-2 -> 2266-1
hping 2.0.0-2 -> 3.0.0-1
hwd 5.4.2-1 -> 5.4.3-1
imagemagick 6.4.9.2-1 -> 6.4.9.7-1
kbd 1.14.1.20080309-2 -> 1.15-1
kernel26-chaox 2.6.28.5-2 -> 2.6.28.7-1
kismet-dect-svn 68-1 -> 68-3
kismet-newcore-svn 2612-1 -> 2616-1
libao 0.8.8-2 -> 0.8.8-3
libgpod-svn 2195-1 -> 2268-1
libmad 0.15.1b-2 -> 0.15.1b-4
libmysqlclient 5.0.75-2 -> 5.0.77-1
libnet 1.1.2.1-1 -> 1.1.2.1-2
libpng 1.2.34-1 -> 1.2.35-1
libvncserver 0.9.1-1 -> 0.9.7-1
libvorbis 1.2.1rc1-1 -> 1.2.1rc1-2
libx11 1.1.99.2-2 -> 1.2-1
libxcb 1.1.93-1 -> 1.2-1
libxfce4util 4.4.3-1 -> 4.6.0-1
libxfcegui4 4.4.3-1 -> 4.6.0-1
libxfont 1.3.4-1 -> 1.4.0-1
libxi 1.2.0-1 -> 1.1.4-2
lighttpd 1.4.20-2 -> 1.4.21-2
madwifi-newhal-svn 3942-2 -> 3942-4
man-pages 3.17-1 -> 3.19-1
mhash 0.9.9-1 -> 0.9.9.9-1
mingw32-binutils 2.18.50-1 -> 2.19.1-1
mousepad 0.2.14-1 -> 0.2.16-1
mplayer 28583-1 -> 28791-1
ndiswrapper 1.54-4 -> 1.54-6
ntfs-3g 2009.1.1-1 -> 2009.2.1-1
obexftp 0.23-1 -> 0.23-2
p7zip 4.61-1 -> 4.65-1
passcracking 0901301558-1 -> 20090216-1
perl-berkeleydb 0.35-1 -> 0.38-1
perl-html-parser 3.56-3 -> 3.60-1
perl-html-tagset 3.10-3 -> 3.20-1
php 5.2.8-1 -> 5.2.9-1
pm-utils 1.2.3-4 -> 1.2.4-3
postgresql-libs 8.3.5-1 -> 8.3.6-1
privoxy 3.0.10-1 -> 3.0.11-1
pyrit 60-1 -> 73-1
radare-hg 888-1 -> 898-1
ratproxy 1.53-2 -> 1.54-1
rt2860 1.8.0.0-9 -> 1.8.0.0-11
rt73-k2wrlz 3.0.2-16 -> 3.0.2-18
ruby 1.8.7_p72-2 -> 1.8.7_p72-3
samba 3.2.7-1 -> 3.3.1-1
samydeluxe 20090215-1 -> 20090216-2
scapy 2.0.0.11-1 -> 2.0.1-1
smbclient 3.2.7-1 -> 3.3.1-1
sqlite3 3.6.10-1 -> 3.6.11-1
sqlzma 3.4-15 -> 3.4-17
tdb 3.2.7-1 -> 3.3.1-1
terminal 0.2.8.3-1 -> 0.2.10-1
thunar 0.9.3-1 -> 1.0.0-1
tiacx 20080210-25 -> 20080210-27
tor 0.2.0.33-1 -> 0.2.0.34-1
tsocks 1.8beta5-1 -> 1.8beta5-2
tzdata 2009a-1 -> 2009b-1
wine 1.1.15-1 -> 1.1.16-1
xcb-proto 1.3-1 -> 1.4-1
xfce-utils 4.4.3-1 -> 4.6.0-1
xfce4-appfinder 4.4.3-1 -> 4.6.0-1
xfce4-clipman-plugin 0.8.0-4 -> 0.9.0-1
xfce4-genmon-plugin 3.1-4 -> 3.2-1
xfce4-mixer 4.4.3-2 -> 4.6.0-2
xfce4-notes-plugin 1.6.1-1 -> 1.6.4-1
xfce4-panel 4.4.3-1 -> 4.6.0-1
xfce4-session 4.4.3-1 -> 4.6.0-1
xfdesktop 4.4.3-1 -> 4.6.0-1
xfprint 4.4.3-2 -> 4.6.0-1
xfsprogs 2.10.2-1 -> 3.0.0-1
xfwm4 4.4.3-1 -> 4.6.0-1
xfwm4-themes 4.4.3-1 -> 4.6.0-1
yaourt 0.9.2.4-1 -> 0.9.2.5-1
zsnes 1.51-5 -> 1.51-6
March 6, 2009 at 00:24
Thank you for your efforts.It’s a great convenience.
March 6, 2009 at 09:08
Hi,
Could you give some intel on the the seat data mining tool ? I did’nt find it nor in AUR nor in arch repo.
Thanks ;)
March 6, 2009 at 10:15
The official homepage is located at [1].
The PKGBUILD can be found in our git repository [2] (pkgbuilds/security/seat).
[1] http://midnightresearch.com/projects/search-engine-assessment-tool/
[2] http://github.com/jensp/chaox-ng-livecd
March 6, 2009 at 14:14
Thank you very much :) !
It works like a charm.
Succesfully installed on eeePC 1000 with Blinds custom kernel :
http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Asus_Eee_PC_901#Option_2:__Using_Blinds_custom_kernel_for_eee901.2F1000_.28atm_2.6.29-rc6.29
Best Regards,
Guillaume
I have root @ Google
March 6, 2009 at 14:24
Would you mind explaining which part of the netbook didn’t work with the chaox kernel? We’d like to support as much hardware “out-of-the-box” as possible/feasible.
March 6, 2009 at 23:42
Hi
To start i went to irc and there is never anyone
Hi have a problem with my kismet
I modified the kismet conf file with these line as explain on th dedected website
====================================
ncsource=dect:device=/dev/coa
logtypes=dectpcap
====================================
and saved the file
after when I run kismet
COULD NOT CONNECT TO KISMET SERVER
It says
ERROR NOT CONNECTED ON KISMET SERVER
……………………………………………………….
Where is the problem?
I throught that the kismet was configured automatiquely
Thanks a lot
PS CAN somone create a forum cause on irc the is never anyone
March 7, 2009 at 07:12
@securipro38 that can’t be.
Be sure to join irc.freenode.NET and #chaox.
You can recognize the channel if you take a look at the topic.
Oh and don’t forget to ask and don’t leave after 10 sec.
March 8, 2009 at 20:24
wuooow… bisher das beste release… danke jensp & toukisan
March 8, 2009 at 23:28
A BIG Thanks to everyone who took the time to help me
It works great with my com on air card type 2
The voice decoded is a little weak but it works
My reports on dect phone tested
DORO MATRA NeoBio 20 RFPI 01 03 XX XX XX NOT ENCRYPTED
SIEMENS SL 550 RFPI 00 DC XX XX XX ENCRYPTED
LEXIBOOK DP230 RFPI 00 5C XX XX XX NOT ENCRYPTED
I’ll give results on other dect phones later
March 10, 2009 at 14:42
please can you make an update on livecd.i read in dedected with Type III rx drastically improved ,
March 10, 2009 at 14:53
We’re working on it, still needs some testing though. You can always update the packages from a working livecd environment with yaourt -Suy. Just reload the kernel module and you should be ready to go (you’ll have to do this everytime unless you use usb+persistable).
March 10, 2009 at 15:15
sorry i tried with yaourt -Suy and get message (55/55) checking for file conflicts [#####################] 100%
error: could not prepare transaction
error: failed to commit transaction (conflicting files)
kernel26-chaox: /lib/modules/2.6.28.7-chaox/kernel/fs/aufs/aufs.ko exists in filesystem
Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
why?
March 10, 2009 at 15:17
do a
sudo pacman -Syuf
March 10, 2009 at 15:21
Sorry ’bout that, I fscked up packaging, I’ll have that fixed, ASAP.
March 11, 2009 at 13:11
hello.
can you add on to your PKGBUILD the “unstable=true” flag for compiling wesside-ng (for example)?
From INSTALLING archive:
——————————————————–
Example:
* Compiling:
make sqlite=true unstable=true
* Installing:
make sqlite=true unstable=true install
———————————————————
if not wesside-ng not compile.
Sorry my bad english.
Rubén
March 11, 2009 at 13:14
sorry my mistake, i am refer to aircrack, sorry
March 11, 2009 at 13:18
fixed. Thanks for reporting.
March 12, 2009 at 00:41
Hi,
I used the chaox installer, but could not make it to grub!
I partitionned the disk (auto-prepare successful), copied the distro (which took a while and went fine).
I went through the process of the package installation but didn’t go through the system configuration (just setting a root password.)
When I try to install the bootloader, it says :
“Error : couldn’t find /mnt/boot/grub/menu.lst . Is GRUB installed?”
which make sense, because it’s what we want.. installing GRUB!
I’m at work right now, but I have no idea if I install grub manually it will work though.
If anyone has an idea ?
Thank you again!
March 12, 2009 at 12:01
Grub should be installed in the ‘Install Packages’ step so the error must have happened there.
Please make sure that this step is successful – ie. check your internet connection and disk space.
There is also a logfile in /tmp/pacman.log in which you find more information about the package installation process.
Please let us know if this information could solve the problem or join the irc if the problem still persists.
March 12, 2009 at 22:30
Thank you Toukisan for the quick reply first!
I went through the installation today again, and actually it looks like that when I try to install the packages it doesnt work.
I can ping google, and there is enough space disk for sure.
I grabbed the pacman.log if that can help :
——–
Installing Packages…
warning: kernel26-chaox-2.6.28.7-1 is up to date — reinstalling
warning: grub-0.97-15 is up to date — reinstalling
resolving dependencies…
looking for inter-conflicts…
:: initscripts conflicts with initscripts-chaox. Remove initscripts-chaox? [Y/n]
Remove (1): initscripts-chaox-2008.09-3
Total Removed Size: 0.09 MB
Targets (4): kernel26-chaox-2.6.28.7-1 udev-139-1 initscripts-2009.03-2
grub-0.97-15
Total Download Size: 20.57 MB
Total Installed Size: 62.45 MB
Proceed with installation? [Y/n]
:: Retrieving packages from livecd…
error: failed retrieving file ‘kernel26-chaox-2.6.28.7-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz’ from dev-jenux.homelinux.org : Not Found
warning: failed to retrieve some files from livecd
Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
Package Installation FAILED.
——–
Thus, I stopped at this step, and the grub step doesnt work of course.
Thank you again for you time and the help!
March 13, 2009 at 08:23
Looks like “someone” forgot to set the right permissions on the package database file on the server (once again…), so the installer coudn’t update the database and tried to download an outdated package.
Anyway we fixed the issue and you should be able to install chaox without problems.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
March 16, 2009 at 01:51
Thank you for the update, but I’m still having a problem with the package installation.
Here is the content of pacman.log :
—
Installing Packages…
warning: grub-0.97-15 is up to date — reinstalling
resolving dependencies…
looking for inter-conflicts…
:: initscripts conflicts with initscripts-chaox. Remove initscripts-chaox? [Y/n]
Remove (1): initscripts-chaox-2008.09-3
Total Removed Size: 0.09 MB
Targets (4): kernel26-chaox-2.6.28.7-3 udev-139-1 initscripts-2009.03-2
grub-0.97-15
Total Download Size: 20.66 MB
Total Installed Size: 62.96 MB
Proceed with installation? [Y/n]
:: Retrieving packages from livecd…
downloading kernel26-chaox-2.6.28.7-3-i686.pkg.tar.gz…
:: Retrieving packages from core…
downloading udev-139-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz…
downloading initscripts-2009.03-2-i686.pkg.tar.gz…
downloading grub-0.97-15-i686.pkg.tar.gz…
checking package integrity…
removing initscripts-chaox…
warning: /mnt/etc/rc.local.shutdown saved as /mnt/etc/rc.local.shutdown.pacsave
warning: /mnt/etc/rc.local saved as /mnt/etc/rc.local.pacsave
warning: /mnt/etc/rc.conf saved as /mnt/etc/rc.conf.pacsave
warning: /mnt/etc/inittab saved as /mnt/etc/inittab.pacsave
checking for file conflicts…
error: could not prepare transaction
kernel26-chaox: /mnt/lib/modules/2.6.28.7-chaox/kernel/fs/aufs/aufs.ko exists in filesystem
Errors occurred, no packages were upgraded.
Package Installation FAILED.
—
I basically went trough the steps until the package installation failed.
Thank you again for the help.
March 16, 2009 at 11:22
It should be fixed now, sorry for the inconvenience.
March 12, 2009 at 14:54
I have problems to start the bluetooth, bluetootd start as root and then start blueman-applet but it does not appear anywhere in the control panel.
if I try to start another Blueman script leave python errors
and nothing happens.
On the other hand I tried the last testing (day 11) and blueman not working, besides the X lock shortly and can not start any program. Only can back to gdm sesion manager.
I download xterm from a shell, then start xterm sesion on gdm and tipe “startfxce4″ and then X is working fine.
¿can you put on the next chaox Xterm? is useful to test issues related to X
March 12, 2009 at 18:03
I can’t comment on the bluetooth issue, yet, I’ll check that later this evening
Could you please post the exact filename of the image you are using? Could you please upload the relevant log files (/home/livecd/.xession-errors, /var/log/Xorg.0.log, /var/log/gdm.log)? Don’t know about including xterm yet, urxvt is much cooler :)
March 12, 2009 at 18:57
thanks jensp.
but the problem is that in the gdm session manager have to login securely and xterm no exist.
I think that might change xterm on urxvt in the gdm configuration file or so (pehaps the global variable $TERM…)
I can as you pass the tests and logs. The version is chaox-2009-03-11-15-30.iso, but I hope to confirm more later.
March 12, 2009 at 19:11
We decided to include xterm in the next release. It would still be nice to have the logs to know why the normal session failed.
March 13, 2009 at 12:02
i put a related gdm log file on http://pastebin.com/m44660bf8
and auth.log http://pastebin.com/df92e388
*AUDIT…. clients (programs and probably gdm itself) rejected from localhost (X)*
The problem dissapears if i kill all realted to gdm and start X with startx from shell.
Perhaps a missconfiguration of xauth, gdm (and related) or $HOME/.Xauthority… or some file that has remained written on the CDLive and and creates interferences.
i am not sure,
I can not open the file archlive.sqfs (into chaox livecd .iso) to see inside, I have a problem with squashfs on my system
March 13, 2009 at 14:32
I have no idea what’s going on, to be honest :(
It works for me, there is no .Xauthority in $HOME.
Could you make sure the shasum is correct? Are you using the image on a CD or on a usb pendrive? Are you using persistable storage?
March 13, 2009 at 15:28
Sorry for being so heavy.
I think I’ve found the problem -and partial solution-
the problem is that NetworMannager change the hostname -at least to my/- and the new host name is not autorized for xauth.
Perhaps have changed the policy for access by the user to domain on acces to X
if you type:
#xauth list
you can see some how:
#localhost.localdomain/unix:0 MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 2035aa436bf0364ba5556390ef36e36d
The solution is simple, you can run the command -user root-
#hostname localhos.localdomain
and every run fine.
add the new domain to .Xauthority with the command -and later change permission to your user-
#xauth add
or
have a persistent hostname, NM not could to rename the hostname
I hope you understand
March 17, 2009 at 10:14
Hi
I’ve a problem with installation
I H’ave easely installed the cd on 2 notebook
Hp tablet pc TC1100 and ACER 9920G
.I tried on other notebook
Toshiba M100
Fujutsu LIFEBOOK S6120.
On the twice ,the livecd started and stopped on GNOME DESKTOP MANAGER and it asks me th username and password .
Where is the probleme?
Thanks
March 17, 2009 at 12:19
I’ts ok .. all works now Tahnks to Jensp :) :)
March 22, 2009 at 16:29
Choax-ng is an excellent idea, Xfce and arch, what a great combo.
I have a question about Static IP networking with the livecd.
I just downloaded Choax-ng last night, gave it a quick test and it looked very good except for 3 issues:
1. I wanted to run static IP (not DHCP) the small networking icon wouldn’t let me change the setting (all greyed out).
2. Therefore, I edited rc.conf added the static IP, enabled routing and the daemon, restart networking via /etc/rc.d/network, which worked. I updated resolv.conf, I can ping externally, etc
3. But after the above, the browser couldn’t see the network, which is strange.
My question is:
Is there an easier method of setting up a static address (and no, I don’t want to play with ifconfig) in Chaox-ng on a livecd?
March 22, 2009 at 16:41
Thanks for your feedback first of all.
Setting up a static IP should be rather simple really with network manager. You rightclick on the small networking icon, choose edit connections than choose your media (Wired/Wireless/whatever), click on add, than change to IPv4 settings choose Manual as a method and the rest should be obvious.
If you prefer using the arch network setup you’ll have to type “sudo /etc/rc.d/networkmanager stop”. Edit /etc/rc.conf and sudo /etc/rc.d/network start.
That should be it.
March 22, 2009 at 19:37
jensp
Thanks for the reply :)
Sorry, I wasn’t clear enough before.
Clicking on the network icon does not work
The tab and fields are greyed out, they can’t be edited.
That is what I tried first time around, and why I did it manually. But it is not a perfect solution.
PS: I am setting up Static IP on the wired connection, not the wireless.
March 22, 2009 at 20:21
That’s really odd.
We really want to sort this problem out but using wordpress comments isn’t optimal for support activities as the reply delays are just to long. Could you join our irc channel:
Network: irc.freenode.net
Channel: #chaox
If you don’t have an irc client you can just use the link in [1]. If you click on it all you need to do is choose a nick and join the channel where you get fast & competent support :).
And could you upload a screenshot showing the grayed out dialog?
[1] https://widget.mibbit.com/?server=irc.freenode.net&channel=%23chaox
March 24, 2009 at 22:48
I fixed the static IP issue after thinking about it.
Problem: the Network Icon won’t allow the existing networking connection to be changed, even when they don’t work, when you need to edit them for static IP.
Solution:
1) Open a terminal and do a ifconfig
2) copy the MAC address of the desired interface into the paste buffer
3) Click on the Network Icon
4) Invoke Edit Connection
5) Add, paste in the MAC address.
6) IPv4 fill in fields accordingly
etc
It will restart. Ping local router, then verify routing by pinging an external site, when all of that works, bring up a browser. Done.
Not perfect, as there should be a way to edit the existing connection, in the network dialogue boxes, rather than re-create another link.
PS: Jensp, just read you reply, thanks :)
March 25, 2009 at 08:05
You’re mistaken.
There’s only one network configuration which you cannot change, the ‘auto $iface’ connection which just uses dhcp. Changing ist would be utterly stupid, as there should always be an option to configure the interface via dhcp as it’s the most common, most widespread one. Not being able to touch the ‘auto $iface’ connection is a feature, not a bug.
Any other connection which you defined yourself will be editable.
Also note that there’s absolutely no need to fill in the mac address, just leave the field empty and it’ll take the mac address of the nic. You only need to specify the mac address if you have multiple nic’s.
Also networkmanager DOES NOT ping your router nor does it ping an external site. By the way pinging is a horrible, unreliable way to determine the functionality of a network or internet connection.
March 25, 2009 at 13:37
NO, I am not mistaken.
It is a poor setup when the user has to manually fix the most obvious next step after doing an install, which is to setup the network.
It is a clumsy approach to have the user fiddle around, unintuitively to set up the network.
and of course, “networkmanager DOES NOT ping”, I wrote that the user should do it.
It is a simple and fairly full proof way of verifying a wired connection to a known router.
March 25, 2009 at 14:01
NetworkManager is the common choice in most distributions, we find it pretty intuitive, however usability is debatable, if you don’t like it just setup the system to use arch’s rc.conf. Setting up the network is always a manual job if it isn’t dhcp.
toukisan doesn’t speak english as his native language I’d blame the part about ping on the language barrier (english isn’t my mother tongue either obviously ;) ). I’m sure he didn’t mean to flame you.
A lot of ISPs here (germany) ship routers which drop ICMP echo requests for “security purposes” (whatever those are). ping(1) requires root priviledges, which can make it hard to ping from virtual machines if these aren’t run as root. Verifing a network connection is usually done by transferring some data.
March 25, 2009 at 16:58
“NetworkManager is the common choice in most distributions, we find it pretty intuitive, however usability is debatable, if you don’t like it just setup the system to use arch’s rc.conf. Setting up the network is always a manual job if it isn’t dhcp.”
Jensp,
thanks for your response :)
Three points:
1. NetworkManager functioning in this particular instance is clumsy.
If you try numerous other live CDs, you will see that after an installation, the first thing that the user invariably wants to do is setup the network. Therefore, it follows that that process should be as easy, documented and trouble-free as possible. With other liveCDs, the automatic connections are usually editable, if you doubt me try a few, as that is the most logical way of looking at things, to change an existing setting to match your requirement.
2. Designers of Distros should not make too many assumptions on how the product will be used and in what environments, otherwise it is self restricting. Not everyone wishes to use DHCP and any distribution should therefore offer several options. It should aim to be flexible and not restrict users, that is the open source way. Let the user decide, make it easy for him or her to do it, don’t hedge them in as Microsoft does.
3. You’re absolutely right concerning ping, but by executing it name resolution is invoked which invariability connects to the user’s router, which is the first step. Network Interface->Router->Outside world->websites and the methodical approach is by, working outwards. I hope that clear?
Please can I suggest that you include some Release Notes on the Desktop, etc to highlight the above issue of how to setup static IP, it will probably save you answering the same question several times and make your life easier :)
March 25, 2009 at 17:10
1. Ubuntu, Fedora and SuSE all use NetworkManager on their livecds, I consider these distros “standard” (although I don’t really like any of them). If you are used to the NetworkManager workflow it’s pretty easy to change the connection (although you can’t edit the dhcp option, you can create new options and choose them). Again imho this is a matter of preference. I am assuming that most people have been confronted with one of those three distros.
2. DHCP is a sensible default imho, and NetworkManager does offer the choice to use static ip. Heck you even have the possibility to kill off NetworkManager with a simple /etc/rc.d/networkmanager stop. Choosing good defaults is not the same as restricting imho.
3. nslookup performs a simple dns lookup.
More documentation is on my TODO list, we are clearly lacking some documentation.
March 25, 2009 at 17:24
Jensp,
We are having a communication problem here.
I did NOT say that DHCP wasn’t a sensible option, rather that it should be EASY to change it, if required
I started using slackware about 12-14 years ago, my point is usability, which makes a distro popular. I haven’t used Xubuntu in months, but I’ll bet I can change the DHCP in about 5 seconds, similar with Mandriva.
If using and setting up BASIC functions are not intuitive, or documented them then a distro won’t succeed.
Please, please, can I make a suggestion??
If a Distro is receptive to ideas and questions, then people will feel like helping out, but if it is NOT receptive to other people’s ideas then it won’t get much help, no matter the quality of the distros.
March 25, 2009 at 17:38
Xubuntu uses NetworkManager :)
We are open for suggestions, if I wasn’t I wouldn’t be discussing them with you. We will keep NetworkManager as we think that most users are familiar with it.
Your request for documentation though is obviously legit and I will write some when I get around to it (although it’s a boring task and I prefer to do packaging and coding ;) ).
So don’t get me wrong I don’t want to stop you from voicing your opinion, we are receptive to ideas and we will implement them when we think they make sence, but so far you have been the only one having trouble with NetworkManager (you don’t seem to come from a point-and-click background ;) ), your wish for documentation of the app however is noted and will be fulfilled (when I get around to it).
March 25, 2009 at 18:33
Yeah Xubuntu does use NetworkManager and it works well, I just downloaded 8.10, burnt a CD and rebooted.
Under Xubuntu 8.10 eth0 is editable, the tabs functions, so NO problem :)
So the above problem might be a XFce bug or a rights issue, not sure.
Jensp, if you involve others, then you could do certain things and that way, they do the others, a division of labour (many hands make light work).
as for “but so far you have been the only one having trouble with NetworkManager “
I didn’t have any trouble with it, but it did not function as was to be expected, there’s a difference.
You need to bear in mind that most people don’t complain or raise issues, they just walk away, probably only 1 in 10 complain.
It is about anticipating how users might want to do things and not making them unnecessarily hard, that puts people off.
Again, I don’t want documentation for the app, I’d merely like any known “features” noted, as with Firefox release notes, including release notes is a common practise in computing.
It is simple, takes 2 mins, about 1 paragraph:
“Static IP
Chaox-NG starts with DHCP enabled as default, to change to Static IP, click on the network icon on the bottom right of your screen. Use the Add dialogue…..[fill in as above]
March 25, 2009 at 19:15
woops, now that I see you can edit that connection on other distros I get what you mean. We’ll have that fixed ASAP. Sorry for being so defensive. As for collaborating, so far development has been done nearly exclusivly via IRC, we have been looking at bug trackers, but most of them are much to overkill for our fairly small project.
March 25, 2009 at 19:27
well Jensp,
good, I am glad you see the issue :)
many of us don’t use IRC, so it might be best to be flexible and have several ways to do it, one size doesn’t fit all! as Linux shows :)